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Vol. 3, Num. 3

March 2002

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YMCA giveaway threatens athletic clubs
Former co-owner of FAC says YMCAs often force private clubs to close

By Susan Garretson
Flagstaff Resident

Many are excited about the possibility of a YMCA coming to Flagstaff. But at the risk of being labeled as opposed to providing health and fitness opportunities to our low-income population, I would like to point out a few things.

Old-fashioned YMCAs are what most of us are familiar with. The mission is admirable — providing fitness, sports and social opportunities for low-income individuals. However, in the last 10-15 years, YMCA has been straying from its mission. They have been building high-end, state-of-the-art athletic facilities in affluent and middle income neighborhoods, directly competing for the clients of privately owned athletic clubs. YMCAs have driven many privately owned clubs out of business.

As the former co-owner of Flagstaff Athletic Club (from 1978-2001) the proposed YMCA is of great concern to me. During the last 20 years,  probably the biggest problem the fitness industry has faced is the competition of YMCAs. Ys have the advantage of not paying the same taxes private businesses pay. Normally, a private club would have no problem with that, assuming the YMCA is specifically marketing to the low-income population that normally could not afford a private club. However, that is not the case with the Flagstaff’s proposed YMCA.

Flagstaff Athletic Club pays an average of about $300,000 — $400,000 a year in federal, state, county, school and city taxes. The YMCA will pay none of these taxes. Yet, their membership rates are very close to FAC’s rates. Where will that extra money go? I hear that the extra money will enable the YMCA to provide the free services they will provide to the City.

Well, guess what? FAC already provides some of these same services for many entities around Flagstaff. You just do not hear a lot about it. FAC provides these services without showing it as a deduction.

The total net worth of FAC’s two buildings, 8 ½ acres, and equipment is approximately $6 million. I understand YMCA is planning on one building valued at between $4 million and $6 million (no cost for land). This is a high-end state-of-the-art athletic club being planned here, not just a simple facility for those who can’t afford a private club. It’s not just the low-income people who will want to join the YMCA. The YMCA will be directly competing for FAC members.

What about the implications if YMCA competes for FAC members? Will FAC go out of business? Will Flagstaff, Coconino County and Arizona lose that tax revenue?

The Flagstaff Athletic Club paid market price for all of its building and lands. The YMCA is asking the City to give them land. Do the other nonprofits in Flagstaff ask for free land from the city? No. They realize that while Flagstaff values all of its nonprofits, we simply can’t give land to every nonprofit. I am afraid that if the City gives away that land, it will set a precedent for giving away land to other nonprofits. I know the argument that the Y will provide services to the City. Don’t most local nonprofits provide services to residents?

The trend in education and other family services is toward smaller facilities in neighborhoods, so families can access them easily. At the 1998 Arizona Town Hall I attended, one of the main outcomes was the need for services to be located near low-income families, not across town.

What YMCA has been doing in Flagstaff so far is wonderful. They have provided activities at various schools and locations already in existence. My point here is that in order to truly serve low-income families, the YMCA should continue running programs at existing public buildings during the many hours when those buildings would normally be closed or build smaller, less elaborate buildings right in the low-income neighborhoods scattered around Flagstaff. Flagstaff has several low-income neighborhoods; the corner of Turquoise and Forest is not one of them.

If the only choice is to build one building, I suggest something on Fourth Street, such as the old Flag East Theatre, the old McMahons Furniture store or vacant land north of the Community College. Better yet, take the current Boy’s and Girl’s Club on Izabel Street and improve it. The Boy’s and Girl’s Club is close to one of Flagstaff’s largest low-income neighborhoods — a neighborhood that has been struggling to revitalize itself. The Club has already been developed and has the infrastructure to support a new building and lots of usage.

Turquoise is an inappropriate location for several reasons. One is that it is raw land. Once it’s developed, it’s gone forever. We need to make thoughtful land-use decisions regarding our very scarce remaining resources. Piecemeal planning leads to a city devoid of character, such as Phoenix.

Also, getting to the Turquoise location requires transportation for most low-income people of Flagstaff, promoting more traffic and more difficulty for people who can’t afford cars.

Of course, the Turquoise location is conveniently located near our growing medical complex. Are the people who work at the medical complex low-income people?

I have noticed a few of Flagstaff’s leading citizens, whom I admire and respect, getting on the Y bandwagon. Probably they are only remembering those good, old-fashioned Ys. I am hoping it is not too late for them to jump off that bandwagon when they realize the implications. I wonder how the mayoral candidates who have gone on record as supporting the proposed Y will react, when that beautiful piece of property on Turquoise is gone and FAC has gone the way of McGaugh’s Newsstand?

I understand the weight equipment the Y usually purchases is by Bodymaster. This is the very same expensive, state-of-the-art weight system that FAC owns. Should taxpayers be supporting this? At least one proponent I’ve talked to says yes. He feels low-income people deserve to use the same equipment private club members can afford. Would he then agree that the taxpayers should be subsidizing the same level of housing and transportation? In that case, the City could start buying up available Fairfield, University Heights, Forest Highlands, and Cheshire properties to give to low-income families.

I hope other business owners will try to imagine what they would do if a nonprofit in their field were to come to town asking for free land from the City at a prime location.

Am I opposed to a Y? No. I completely support the YMCA mission and feel Flagstaff needs something like a Y.

Am I afraid of competition for FAC? No, not if the competition is playing on the same ball field. The Y is not.

I do not own FAC anymore, but I believe Flagstaff Athletic Club has helped to make Flagstaff a special place. Am I concerned that the proposed YMCA at Turquoise and Forest will have a negative effect on FAC and Flagstaff? Yes. I am extremely concerned.